15-1Peter1v23

Purpose:  To show that there was two Greek words used and one English translated word of “Word”.

Pastor Odle brought out on Sunday that they were different words.  He explained it well, but thought it might be of interest to see how this is brought proven using Logos Bible Software.  He said to step out of one’s comfort zone and by doing this I’m way out there, please understand my inadequacy on this.

1 Peter 1:23 – “Word” –   “logos”

1 Peter 1:23 (ESV) 23 since you have been born again, not of perishable seed but of imperishable, through the living and abiding word of God;

1 Peter 1:25 – “Word” – “rhema”

1 Peter 1:25 (ESV)  – but the word of the Lord remains forever.”   And this word is the good news that was preached to you.

1 Peter 1:23                        Note:  “LOGOS” is the translated word used in V.23

In the above one sees the verse and the highlighted word in the text (our study word).  Note the MSS and Lemma of the Greek word that is the base for the translation.  Explanation of each:

MSS – Greek Manuscript  and the next means ‘translated’ to “logou”

Lemma – and Lemma Translated “logos” – what we use instead of “logou” of the MSS form.

Morph  or Morphology is a: a study and description of word formation (as inflection, derivation, and compounding) in language b : the system of word-forming elements and processes in a language.  Putting the mouse on NGSM it translates the letters to Noun, genitive, singular, masculine

Strong’snumbering system:  G3056

Louw– Louw-nida  –  Look up on internet at:  http://www.laparola.net/greco/louwnida.php  you can search words on site…  Problem is that you need to enter it in “Greek” – but you can scroll through and see how their system works.

Using the Greek Word for this form (Logos) the result at the site was:

Looking at 1 Peter 1:25 and see the other “Word” – “rhema”  (Scroll back and forth to see the two:

Note:  “rhema” is the translated word used in V.25

Compare the two words and how translated:

V. 23  –  English words used to translate the Greek word (logos)  It uses “word” or “Words” some 231 of the 329 times that Greek word is found in the NT.  The other translated words are:  Say, saying, sayings – Speech – Account, accounts – Message, messages and more.  Note the diagram below:

Comparing V.25  – what English words were used to translate the Greek word (rhema).

It too uses “word, words” as the English translated word some 39 of the 67 times for the Greek word “rhema” as found in the NT.

COMPARE the two…..  see the slight differences…

In order to understand the meaning of the two Greek words will show you the definition from Strongs, Louw-nida  and BDAG dictionaries.

FIRST: “Logos”

Strong’s Greek #30563056λόγος[logos /log·os/] n m. From 3004; TDNT 4:69; TDNTA 505; GK 3364; 330 occurrences; AV translates as “word” 218 times, “saying” 50 times, “account” eight times, “speech” eight times, “Word (Christ)” seven times, “thing” five times, not translated twice, and translated miscellaneously 32 times. 1 of speech. 1a a word, uttered by a living voice, embodies a conception or idea. 1b what someone has said. 1b1 a word. 1b2 the sayings of God. 1b3 decree, mandate or order. 1b4 of the moral precepts given by God. 1b5 Old Testament prophecy given by the prophets. 1b6 what is declared, a thought, declaration, aphorism, a weighty saying, a dictum, a maxim. 1c discourse. 1c1 the act of speaking, speech. 1c2 the faculty of speech, skill and practice in speaking. 1c3 a kind or style of speaking. 1c4 a continuous speaking discourse—instruction. 1d doctrine, teaching. 1e anything reported in speech; a narration, narrative. 1f matter under discussion, thing spoken of, affair, a matter in dispute, …

Louw Nida 33.98  33.98 ῥῆμα^b,τος n; λόγος^a,ου m(derivative of λέγω^a‘to say,’ 33.69): that which has been stated or said, with primary focus upon the content of the communication—‘word, saying, message, statement, question.’ ῥῆμα^b: ἀλλ’ ἐπὶ παντὶ ῥήματι ἐκπορευομένῳ διὰ στόματος θεοῦ ‘but by every word that comes from the mouth of God’ Mt 4:4. λόγος^a: πολλῷ πλείους ἐπίστευσαν διὰ τὸν λόγον αὐτοῦ ‘many more believed because of what he said’ Jn 4:41. In Mt 21:24 λόγοςmay be rendered as ‘question’ in view of the preceding ἐρωτάω, but the meaning of ‘question’ is, of course, derived essentially from the verb ἐρωτάω^a‘to ask’ (33.180). Any difference of meaning between λόγος^aand ῥῆμα^bwould be only a matter of stylistic usage.

BDAG – Dictionary states:

①a communication whereby the mind finds expression, word^[1]

② computation, reckoning

③the independent personified expression of God, the Logos.

Louw Nida 33.9  33.9ῥῆμα^a,τος n: a minimal unit of discourse, often a single word—‘word, saying.’ οὐκ ἀπεκρίθη αὐτῷ πρὸς οὐδὲ ἓν ῥῆμα ‘he refused to answer him a single word’ Mt 27:14. In place of a rendering such as ‘refused to answer a single word,’ it may be more idiomatic to say ‘said nothing’ or ‘refused to speak.’

Strong’sGreek #4487 4487 ῥῆμα[rhema /hray·mah/] n n. From 4483; TDNT 4:69; TDNTA 505; GK 4839; 70 occurrences; AV translates as “word” 56 times, “saying” nine times, “thing” three times, “no thing + 3756” once, and not translated once. 1 that which is or has been uttered by the living voice, thing spoken, word. 1a any sound produced by the voice and having definite meaning. 1b speech, discourse. 1b1 what one has said. 1c a series of words joined together into a sentence (a declaration of one’s mind made in words). 1c1 an utterance. 1c2 a saying of any sort as a message, a narrative. 1c2a concerning some occurrence. 2 subject matter of speech, thing spoken of. 2a so far forth as it is a matter of narration. 2b so far as it is a matter of command. 2c a matter of dispute, case at law.

BDAG:  ῥῆμα, ατος, τό(Pind.; Pla., Leg. 840c [w. μῦθο], prob. of edifying maxims; Hdt.+)

①that which is said, word, saying, expression, or statement of any kind

②after the Hebrew an event that can be spoken about, thing, object, matter, event